@Nasim Sb
I understand the point you are making and am not averse to the theory that he may very well have been either killed by Ilyas Kashmiri or by members in the ISI/armed forces sympathetic to his cause.
@Sibtain Sb
I think you have been excessively harsh on Mr. Nasim who has just thrown an alternative possibility to question.
After reading your comments it appears that you are so drunk in your preconceived view point that you are not even willing to listen to another view!! Hell if per-chance concrete evidence were to be brought before you that Saleem Shehzad (whom I once met while in Daily Star) was indeed killed by the al Qaeda, you would refuse to accept all such evidence.
Let us not forget that in our conspiracy theories - without credible evidence which implicates ISI or other state actors, you cannot, with 100% surety - or how Rehman Malik says - 98%^surety, say that he was killed by the ISI.
My 2 cents.
Regards
On 4 June 2011 12:11, Sibtain Shah <sibshah@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Nasim sahib,
salam,
If you dont have enough information pls dont comment on Saleem Shahzad's case. You dont know, how much important he was for the society and how his family and as well as his friends shocked?
Dont mix this case with others, as he was a professional journalist and he has been punished due to his truth.
As you are living in Canada, you must know importance of the journalists in that country?
Do the people in Canada deal the journalists like Pakistan?
May his soul rest in peace! Amin
regards
syed sibtain shah
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To: Tariq Khattack <media-tribe@googlegroups.com>
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Dear All:
I have seen lots of blames being blown towards ISI. We just forgot about another player of this game. If Saleem Shehzad was going to reveal more about Mehran attack, what about those who attacked? I mean Ilyas Kashmiri or Al Qaeda subsidiaries etc.? Why dont we think about other side of the picture? Afterall they are not innocent birds from heaven! They have done lots of damage and why they would care for Saleem if he was going to unveil the culprits
Tariq Nasim, Canada
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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:31:12 +0100
Subject: Re: Media Tribe> Foreign Media Responsible For Killing of Pakistani Journalists
From: akber@qern.org
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Great comments all around. Freedom of speech is not absolute, and extra-judicial murders are abhorrent to civilisation itself.
The fourth estate has a watchdog role -- what the public should be aware of in order to make rational decisions about their lives and their leaders. When the powerful start to deceive, the truth should be known. Even then, operational details and names are hidden, even by Wikileaks. In fact, Wikileaks was a phenomenon due to Western media becoming too cosy to power, a fact that has since been acknowledged, even by the New York Times.
The New York Times declares boldly 'All the news that's fit to print' with the clear realisation that there is news that is not fit to print.
Intelligence agencies carry out tit-for-tat operations to keep us OUT of war -- it shows the intelligence level and operational readiness of the other side without going into full-scale war. KGB-CIA shenanigans kept the Cold War cold. All intelligence agencies fund and keep militant organisations to do their dirty work. ISI is very good at what it does, and is an intelligence agency worthy of a nuclear power, and necessary for such a power. Again, some dirty games of intelligence agencies keep us out of full-blown war. They keep the American and Indian agencies in their place. They are not angels, and we would not want them to be either.
The ISI, as part of the government, should be held accountable by the media, but its operational details should not be relieved. The most a journalist should do in such situations when he/she feels that a broader principle may be compromised is to go abstract and outline the principle at stake. A golden rule -- how would a US reporter write about the CIA, or the Hindustan Times about RAW?
Operational details are just titillating details that have no purpose in educating the public. While Saleem was a great reporter, and he laid bare an issue, which Ghaznvi has discussed here (http://www.qern.org/en/rapidly-changing-al-qaeda-endgame-pakistan-0), his crossing the line may have left not choice for the people who regularly put their lives on the line for us. Still, if it was the ISI, it was wrong.
It is a delicate balancing act.
Regards,
Akber
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>Foreign media and organisations will always say that freedom of expression and free journalism is something alien to Pakistani society.
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>They know that yet they push young reporters to file stories that land them/their families into problems. Many pay the ultimate price to boost the sale of foreign media.
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>Many reporters are aggressive by default; encouragement makes them more insistent. However, grey-haired /white-haired editors are not/should not.
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>The killing of Saleem will be forgotten after some time; the mystery (Whodunit) will never be resolved, Asia Times, like other media businesses, got publicity and will find people to become fuel of their lust to become popular.
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